• FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
    1·
    12 hours ago

    How can they ban transgender people from something if transgender people don’t officially exist?

  • Furbag@lemmy.world
    26·
    2 days ago

    A republican shoots up a school and nobody sees any issue with Republican ideology, but the second a trans person does we’ve gotta take away the guns, right?

    Lefties and trans folk, arm up. If you haven’t bought your piece yet, start the application process. Once you have it, it becomes almost impossible for them to take it away by force.

    • GreenBottles@lemmy.world
      8·
      2 days ago

      I think you mean the only way they’ll take it is by force, and they will if they choose to do so. You aren’t going to stop a SWAT team (or worse.)

      • nomy@lemmy.zipEnglish
        5·
        2 days ago

        It’s not about stopping a specific incident. It’s about sowing enough fear in their little piggy hearts that they think twice.

        Personally I’m more worried about a caravan of lifted F250s with MAGA flags rolling through my neighborhood but everyones threat model is a little different.

    • Rachel@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      12·
      2 days ago

      I don’t think Trump is popular for this. The NRA has already come out publicly they are against this. Rednecks hate trans people but they hate anyone who threatens to take guns away from citizens more it looks like.

  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works
    163·
    2 days ago

    Dems be like: “I allow it”

    Remember: “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.” -Karl Marx

    Armed Minorities are harder to oppress.

    • InputZero@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 days ago

      Ah see you’re making a common mistake when reading the law. Republican’s shall not be infringed, Democrats shall be infringed. It’s a common mistake to assume the Republicans will respect others rights, they don’t. They want all the rights for themselves and laws to apply to everyone else.

  • floofloof@lemmy.ca
    1251·
    3 days ago

    In case anyone’s in any doubt about whether there’s any factual basis for this:

    Mass shooters are not disproportionately transgender, contrary to claims

    This CNN article states it well:

    Such a move would represent a dramatic escalation of the Trump administration’s fight against the rights of transgender Americans.

    That’s it. This is just the fascists finding another way to victimize trans people, because they enjoy doing that and it keeps the morons’ attention diverted from real problems.

    And this bit is also good in the article (warning: disgusting quotes from Trump admin people):

    The goal of the potential ban, according to the Justice official, is “to ensure that mentally ill individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are unable to obtain firearms while they are unstable and unwell.”

    Because gender dysphoria is included in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, also called the DSM, it is diagnosed as a mental disorder. (The DSM is the handbook used by health care professionals as the authoritative guide in diagnosing mental disorders.)

    But the gender incongruence – having a gender identity that’s not the one assigned at birth – isn’t what makes gender dysphoria a mental disorder. Having clinically significant dysphoria around the incongruence is what makes it a disorder.

    That’s surprisingly nuanced and well informed for an article on a mainstream news site.

    • solrize@lemmy.ml
      42·
      3 days ago

      From what I understand, people with mental disorders (e.g. taking anti-anxiety meds) can still own guns. The threshold for being disallowed is if the person has been involuntarily institutionalized. So even if you have some kind of mental health crisis and check yourself in, that’s voluntary so it doesn’t prohibit you. It sounds hard to fit gender dysphoria into that framework.

      OTOH apparently you’re prohibited if you’ve used pot in the past year, so maybe they’ll expand that to include vaccinations.

      • floofloof@lemmy.ca
        32·
        3 days ago

        The logical direction this is going is that they want to do something bad and Nazi-ish to trans people. I hope it doesn’t go that far, but they’re rounding up other people already so people need to be ready for a fight.

        • scintilla@crust.piefed.socialEnglish
          21·
          3 days ago

          And it won’t stop at trans people like the “normal gays” seem to think everyone on the LGBTQ+ spectrum should be ready to flee/fight ASAP.

          • floofloof@lemmy.ca
            16·
            3 days ago

            The way I look at it is: this isn’t just trans people’s battle. They just happen to have found themselves on the frontline of a war that’s coming for everyone, so we all need to fight this together. If trans people lose rights, those are rights everyone else has lost too, because they’re now a matter of the fascists’ discretion so not really rights at all. If you’re not their chosen victim today you may be tomorrow, and fascists’ victim lists have no end but grow and grow. So it’s for all of us to fight for trans rights today, because the attack on trans people is an attack on all people and we’re in this together.

  • TipRing@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    2 days ago

    Trans people are statistically underrepresented among mass shooters. If we are targeting high risk demographics we should start with white men.

  • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
    31·
    3 days ago

    welp, that tears it. time to buy my first gun, while I still can. I’m not a big fan of guns but fuck if I’m going to let myself and my community be disarmed by the fascists. I’m not going quietly if they send us to the camps.

    • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world
      12·
      2 days ago

      If you do and have not used one before please get training in the proper operation of it. Even if its from a book. Practice until you are comfortable with it. Otherwise you may end up shooting yourself or someone you care about by accident. You should know how it works and how to break down and clean it yourself.

        • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world
          2·
          5 hours ago

          Good. I started learning when I was six. I had to of course relearn many of the things I was taught as a child. I used to own nearly thirty firearms. No reason really. I just enjoyed shooting them. At targets. I didn’t like to hunt. Over time I sold them all down to two. One is the first firearm I every bought myself. The other is the first gun my dad ever gave me. It jammed and the feed tube was maligned and he couldn’t fix it. He bought another and gave the bad one to me. I broke it down when my parents were not around and fixed it. I haven’t fired more than a dozen rounds in the last fifteen years. I really hope I don’t have to fire one ever again.

      • Tempus Fugit@midwest.socialEnglish
        141·
        3 days ago

        Ha, you’re not wrong. I had actually forgotten about that, damn news consciousness is hard now. Yeah dumb lefty laws and they’re actually in effect, but if they declare being trans as a mental illness and bar them from owning any guns, that’s an entirely different beast. That’s a core breach of the 2nd amendment in any interpretation.

        • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
          6·
          3 days ago

          watch the Court decide that the history-and-tradition framework justifies restricting guns from seditious groups, citing slave rebellion laws as precedent, while ruling that discriminating against trans people satisfies strict scrutiny. 6-3, with Alito writing for the Majority.

          we’re so fucking cooked.

          • WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca
            2·
            2 days ago

            It’s almost like you shouldn’t let it get to the point of them taking your guns. Almost like that’s the whole reason you have them.

  • Buffalox@lemmy.world
    83·
    3 days ago

    It makes sense if you don’t think about it. Which apparently the DOJ never did.
    It’s all about creating enemies the ignorant bigots can stand together against.
    USA is a disgusting society.

    • andros_rex@lemmy.worldOP
      65·
      3 days ago

      It’s shaping up to declare us all mentally incompetent so that they can institutionalize us. They won’t stop here.

      • bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip
        27·
        3 days ago

        It’s a stepping stone. First they’ll target trans people, than anyone LGBTQIA+, then minorities, then anyone with liberal views, then anyone who looks weird to them. That was the purpose of that EO dipshit signed a few weeks back directing is admin to explore how to institutionalize anyone deemed mentally incompetent. All they have to do is declare “x group” is mentally ill and then they’ll round em all up. It’s fucked.

      • Buffalox@lemmy.world
        24·
        3 days ago

        What a nightmare, and AFAIK no country will accept trans people from USA as refugees (yet).
        I hope you have options.

        • not_that_guy05@lemmy.world
          171·
          3 days ago

          I think Canada does from what they reported of asylum sellers from the US and mostly were trans.

          I hope if shit pops off they can send us care packages from the north.

          • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
            19·
            3 days ago

            Last I checked (last week? Does time mean anything anymore?) canada doesn’t want poor trans refugees more than any other country. A few people have gotten in, but the vast majority of applicants are being denied asylum.

            • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
              3·
              3 days ago

              we’re a good deal, if anyone wants to take us. a lot of us are reeeaaallyy good at science, math and programming. like the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany were pretty great for the countries who took them in as refugees.

                • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
                  4·
                  3 days ago

                  we’re not all network engineers! there’s also uh… rust and haskell programmers, reverse engineers, hardware engineers, category theorists and topologists, uh… biochemists and physicists probably?

                  also there’s not like, loads of trans people. that’s why we’re so easy to attack.

          • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world
            12·
            3 days ago

            Source for that claim? I’m pretty sure Canada is unfortunately still very backwards on granting asylum to people who need it (like most countries in the world are), but I’d love to be wrong about that.

    • tidderuuf@lemmy.world
      16·
      3 days ago

      There was a convicted criminal now representative in my state that has a YouTube video out of her firing an assault weapon. She was the lead sponsor of the bill that banned assault weapons in our state. On top of that because of her past convictions it is illegal for her to be in possession of a firearm.

      It only makes sense if you don’t look at the shit show behind the curtains.

  • SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish
    9·
    2 days ago

    Trans folks, get your guns while you can. They might be the difference between freedom or going to RFK’s “wellness” farms. As an autistic who will someday be targeted, I intend to stand on the line of battle with you.

    • BanMe@lemmy.world
      37·
      2 days ago

      Having a gun will not protect you from the military, which is now our enemy.

      There is only the option to run and I encourage trans people to begin executing those plans I know you’ve been making to get to higher ground. Pool your resources, go together, support each other.

      • SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish
        10·
        2 days ago

        To not fight is compliance in advance, which is a great source of power and comfort for fascism.

        Further, it isn’t likely for the whole of the American military to be aligned with the Trump Regime. Odds are that we will have a civil war - and one side will have minorities serving, many of whom are competent people who have been exiled by the Trump Regime from all sectors of government: Military, intelligence, bureaucratic, and more. Already, the west coast Blue States are forming their own vaccine coalition to replace the loss of Federal services. That is the sign of an upcoming secession, as the Blue States form mutual services that are not dependent on the support of the Trump Regime.

        Aside from all of that, America historically had difficulty against guerillas, whom tend to have small arms and communities. Freedom fighters within America’s borders are likely to be even more successful than their foreign peers, simply because ICE would run the risk of turning entire cities or states against the government. Foreign guerillas couldn’t quickly influence the politics of America much, because they aren’t American nor close to home.

      • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
        2·
        2 days ago

        it makes you a harder target. think of the SovCit and cult groups that squatted on Federal land for years. the government popped a couple (Waco and Ruby Ridge) but in others (e.g. the Bundy standoff, Malheur) the fringe groups were somewhat successful. sure, maybe in part because they were white male conservatives, but I think also because the government knew it’d be a bloody mess, and likely cause them casualties too. most cops are cowards. will they risk life and limb to bag a trans person?

        basically, the goal is just to make it hard to round us up, not impossible. it’s harder to sweep us up if we’re strapped.

  • obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip
    91·
    2 days ago

    This is going to result in either the left arming themselves in a way that will give them political power comparable to the right.

    Or the courts will set a legal precedent for gun control regulations.

    While I’m disgusted by the fact that it’s a targeted act of persecution, this could be the Trump DOJ setting up a long-term win for the left.

      • obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip
        1·
        2 days ago

        IDK, I consider myself pretty far left, and generally pro 2A, but I’d be OK with some gun control. I feel like you can grasp the political value of firearms, and also not want a paranoid schizophrenic with a history of violence to have unfettered access to firearms.

        I think as a society we can walk and chew gum, and I don’t think that makes me Hillary Clinton.