After racking up thousands of dollars in debt, some borrowers are deleting the apps from their phones to avoid getting prodded to spend more.
Many consumers find buying now and paying later a godsend when cash is tight. Others are wishing they’d paid upfront to avoid pain later.
Tia Whiteside, 27, knew she was spending more than she would have without buy now, pay later services — the popular loans that let borrowers split purchases into installments with little or no interest. Planning a day trip to the beach with her 2-year-old son last year, she spent $800 on Amazon purchases including a tent, new outfits and a high-end sandcastle kit with the BNPL provider Affirm.
Whiteside, a Greenville, South Carolina-based behavioral analyst who treats childhood autism, makes good money; she and her husband bring in about $110,000 per year combined. But the $6,000 in BNPL loans she’d racked up over roughly two years felt frivolous, she said, especially because they’re planning to buy their first home.
“I was just seeing my paycheck continually eaten up,” said Whiteside, “and I was like, ‘Where’s my money going?’”
The only purchase I’m willing to go into debt for is a house and a car. Anything else I spend on should be something I already have the money for. I don’t understand how some people are willing to take out loans for miscellaneous things that aren’t even necessities.
Well medical care is not house or car but needed.
For sure. I forgot to include that, since it’s a necessity after all.
$800 on a day trip to the beach?? Thats insane to me.
Also never understood why anyone would you those options, they have always seemed like trap. Have some self control
Why do you even need a tent for the beach? Are you camping out there overnight?
I could see it being useful for keeping the sun off, serving as a refuge from insects (depending on the local biome), perhaps serving as a changing room for privacy. But yeah, it should hardly be necessary. Just another frivolous expenditure, only do it if you can genuinely afford it.
If you’re spending $800 for one day at the beach its cheaper to get a day pass to a mid-to-higher end beach resort and rent a cabana. You’ll get a better experience, staff that will cater to your needs and still be cheaper than $800 for one day.
It could become a bit more reasonable when you consider that most of that gear is probably reusable, so if she expects to do day trips to the beach frequently the $800 gets amortized.
In this case, though, I wouldn’t assume any forward planning like that was factored in to this.
We both know that stuff will never be used again!
ITT a breath of fresh air. I am not alone in having an interest in personal finance, and understanding the basics of it.
Most of my interactions on lemmy so far have been making me feel guilty (and downvoted) for saving some money like I was a dirty billionaire, and to invest in index funds, using capital to further oppress the masses.
A couple of weeks back there was an article making the rounds of the fediverse about how people with reasonably decent incomes were nevertheless living “paycheck to paycheck”, and a number of examples were given in the article with their individual stories of woe about how they were baffled by how burdened with debt they were. Most of those stories, when you dug in with just a slightly critical eye instead of an automatic assumption of victimhood, revealed people making foolish choices to take on debt and support the maximally lavish lifestyle that they could manage.
The comment section was weird. It turned out that there were some people there who thought this was perfectly reasonable, giving examples of “necessary expenditures” from their own lives that were just as excessive when examined. If you think that building a deck or buying a new bed simply because it’s “time for a new one” are necessary expenditures then it’s kind of hard to be sympathetic when you complain about how you have no money for long-term savings.
Is there just some basic personality type that finds it hard to be responsible with money, or is this a failure of education somehow? I have ideas for how to help but help will be unwelcome by people who refuse to recognize that they have a problem.
Ah the person that complains they had to tap into their investments because you need to periodically get a new bed and redo your deck and can’t save money. Yes I got downvoted for providing basic personal finance recommendations there!
I think the problem is a combination of the things you mention, and the fact that society is just normalising stupid spending, waste of resources and spending everything you earn, if not more.
When on reddit, I was active on personal finance subs. The amount of people asking for suggestions on how to improve their budget that didn’t see anything wrong with 10-12 subscriptions for shows and music, on top of astronomic phone bills, eating out etc was crazy. At least they took the first step, wrote down their expenses, and were asking for help. The bed/deck guy was just pure madness.
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Planning a day trip to the beach with her 2-year-old son last year, she spent $800 on Amazon purchases including a tent, new outfits and a high-end sandcastle kit
Or you know you could just go to the beach and not buy anything, except maybe some food and drinks. Some people are their own worst enemies. I don’t spend that much on food in a month.
Indeed, and once she deletes the bnpl app, she’ll use credit cards to buy useless shit like she prolly did before.
I think me and you have been successfully clickbaited though, the journalist looked for such an extreme example to cause outrage, have the article linked on various aggregations, and be discussed.
The odd loophole these buy now pay later schemes have (or maybe had, I haven’t checked for a while), is that they don’t show up on your credit reports. This means more borrowing, and more opportunity to get in over your head in debt.
And then people get pushed into irresponsible borrowing, like its normal. You see ads for buying a fucking burger and paying it back over six weeks. I’ve seen tile shops that take Klarna as payment. Sorry to be Mr Old Fashioned, but by the stage of life where you’re buying kitchen tiles, you should have your financial shit together.
I mean sure, shit happens and sometimes you need £800 for a car repair or something so you don’t lose your job and fall into a cascade of debt, but $800 on a tent for a two day beach trip for a toddler? Give your head a wobble. He’d have had just as much fun two minutes down the road in a local park.
$55,000 is good money?
Depends on where you live
Well if it isn’t then more than half the country is making bad money: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N
More than half the country is making bad money! We’ve been ripped off since the 70s. There was a Time article a few years back that calculated how if wages had kept pace with productivity, like it did up until the 70s, then Americans would be $50 trillion richer. Instead that money went to the rich. The rich has scraped off the $50 trillion in wages from the working class and that’s why everyone is paycheck to paycheck.
high-end sandcastle kit
I mean, we built some pretty neat sandcastles as kids with our hands. Dig a hole, put the sand in front of it as a barrier, scoop up sand+water from the hole and create “drip castles” with turrets and such that harden as they dry.
If you’re buying decorations, I’m thinking that it’s gonna be liable to wind up with plastic decorations or something left behind.
And in that case…I mean, the kid is 2 years old. I figure that she probably wants the best for him and all, but…I’ve seen a lot of 2-year-olds enjoy the box that a toy came in a lot more than the toy. I dunno if his sandcastle experience is gonna be so much more awesome with some kinda kit than just experiencing and learning how wet sand acts…
Idiots spend money they don’t have. News at 11.
People have completely lost track of what wealth looks like and it’s not their fault. Using UK numbers cause that’s where I live:
- salary for a 21yo in 1970 for a white collar job: £1861 - £24k adjusted for inflation. Pretty on par with today’s salary for a starting white collar job.
- price of the average house in the UK in 1970: £4378. About 3 times the above annual salary. Adjusted for inflation that’s £57,491. The average price of a house in the UK right now is £260,000 after dropping from 300 due to current market. 10 Times the annual salary.
You go to work at least 8 hours a day 5 days a week, in a culture that’s indoctrinating you that you should be thankful you even have these horrible work conditions and pay, you spend half of more of your income on a landlords mortgage payments + extra, and for what? So you can’t even afford to buy a damn games console outright and drown your sorrows in a virtual world?
Yeah no shit their overspending, they just want to live a little of their life when they can but they can’t even afford to do that.
And to everyone that’s about to write “well if they would budget better” kindly fuck into the sun. First of all not everyone should be an accountant in order to live comfortably. A lot of people simply don’t have the skills necessity to do it. But more important, a full time job should be enough to provide for yourself, your family (1 spouse 1 child) and a mortgage on a house or apartment suitable for this family of 3. Not because I feel like people are entitled to this, fast from it, but because this was the norm 55 years ago. This was the normal for my grandparents. Society is supposedly evolving. The first world countries where this was the norm have, supposedly, grown their economies by A LOT. How can it be possible that the majority is worse off than 55 years ago in a more modern society and in now a lot more advanced economies.
But the answer is very simple really isn’t it. You can’t afford a house or a car made in the last decade while the rich are having literally privatised space races. Space races were exclusively the hobbies of nuclear superpowers, funded by taxpayers. How exactly did private individuals summon up the funds to advice this?
Well, you fill in the dots…
A high end sandcastle kit?
Sounds like a GREAT reason to over borrow.
So you shouldn’t take super high interest loans to buy crap online?
Planning a day trip to the beach with her 2-year-old son last year, she spent $800 on Amazon purchases including a tent, new outfits and a high-end sandcastle kit with the BNPL provider Affirm.
Nvm it was clearly unavoidable.
That report also found Black consumers were 65% more likely to borrow on BNPL than the general population, followed by Hispanic consumers (47%) and female consumers (35%).
Also racist and sexist 🤡
So you shouldn’t take super high interest loans to buy crap online?
In Netherlands they limited the maximum interest rate. Plus borrowers should check if people are credit worthy without that credit score. Basically it is assumed there are enough people who are terrible with their finances. The last bit is preferable over victim blaming.
I have a 800-810 credit score. I have positive networth. I have no mortgage, no student loans and one car loan with less than 5k left. The best interest rate on a credit card i could find was over 18%. I didn’t actually apply so the rate might go lower but still, that’s criminal imo.
All credit cards are 0% if you pay the balance in full every month. Then it’s just a matter of if the perks are worth the fees (if that’s not something you’re already taking advantage of).
Edit: reworded to not use the word balance twice in different contexts.
It says in the article that the loans aren’t high interest. They’re low to no interest.
They’re no interest if you make the payments, if you miss one and keep a balance they can be 30%, which is how the services make money
I’m sorry but you’re wrong. The specific BNPL loans being discussed in the article really are 0% interest and don’t have late fees. The entire point of the article is that this is so appealing to people that they overextend their finances to get things they don’t really need, and then get stuck making payments for years.
