Please note that NSFW/NSFL videos must be labeled as such or they will be deleted
Edit: also keep in mind that initial information in these situations can often be inaccurate. Trusted outlets have conflicting reports about whether a suspect has been detained.
Edit 2: the campus has officially stated they release the initial subject. Donald Trump has stated Charlie Kirk is dead.
I am genuienly curious, you have a definition of gore…that is not fundamentally based in a human realizing something is very, very wrong with another living being?
Like… your blood is generally supposed to stay inside you. Blood is generally considered more gory the more of it there is.
I guess I watched enough videos from Ukraine and Gaza these past 3 years to be more desensitized. That wasn’t that bad – and key point – relative to what else I’ve seen. My partner also works in trauma medicine, so we discuss a lot of stuff.
In some respects, I think conservatives who have a fetish for guns should witness the true damage they inflict.
Alright. Gore is the inside squishy bits of the body you shouldn’t see: muscles, torn flesh, whatnot. You see someone’s brains or a stump where an appendage was just separated, that’s gore.
Blood is… well… blood. In context it’s alarming, but ultimately it’s just a bunch of opaque red liquid.
I think also that people watch a lot of simulated murders on TV, and they kind of don’t know what its like to watch a person die. Like Tarantino will make geysers of blood look very cool, treehouse of horror makes explosions of organs funny, etc. The amount of blood, at least for that context, is some but in normal bounds. I would say the part that is pretty terrifying for me, is that there are small things, like the way he flops back, the way he’s cut off… the simulations haven’t prepared people for this.
Watching a video of someone die is very different from watching it irl.
A video, your brain would juat categorize it with the TV stuff so you don’t really feel much.
Its better this way, people need to stop dancing around the topic of death. Just accept it as a fact and its easier to live life that way, instead of under a veil of lies and the cutsy “heaven” bs.
the blood doesn’t spray everywhere or all over him, but you can tell a lot gushed out quickly and goes out of view of the camera….
it’s really fast and mostly you notice his shirt moving suddenly
Agreed that people draw the lines in different ways. For me personally, the video is bloody, not gory. It’d be gory if there was viscera clearly visible.
Regardless, can see it being a traumatic image for some. But on the other hand, a lot of us are desensitized.
Yeah I felt the same. I actually can’t watch gory films but this video wasn’t hard to watch. But then I’ve experienced quite a lot of difficult situations irl so maybe I’m desensitised.
But if someone’s gonna make some wisecrack comment celebrating/endorsing acts of violence, they should definitely watch it to see the sick reality of what they’re celebrating.
Kirk is (was?) a piece of shit, but the armchair judges, juries, and wannabe executioners around here need a reality check.
And think about your Red Lines. I have 2. I have family who belong to vulnerable groups who are particularly hated and targeted by MAGA, and if anything were to happen to them, I would have nothing left to lose, and I will become very dangerous.
My second Red Line is if they use ANY excuse to cancel/suspend elections. This country has NEVER cancelled an election, not even during the Civil War. If elections are cancelled or suspended, that is OFFICIALLY the end of the United States. At that point, I do not recognize any laws or any sovereignty by the MAGA government. I will not pay taxes, I will steal everything I can my hands on, I will vandalize any MAGA property, and if it gets hot, and gunfire erupts, I’m ready mentally, and I’ve been an excellent shot my entire life.
As an older person, I have had the revelation that the end of my life will probably include a twist ending that I never anticipated until now, and I have accepted that. In fact, I now think that dying peacefully in my bed as an old man, while America becomes Nazi, would be waste. I’d rather my death accomplish something.
Other Red Lines are starting to form in my mind as well.
"I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.”
I’ve been hyper-aware of the possibility of a school shooting since I was in grade school. I’ve watched Palestinians be murdered for over ten years. I’ve watched poor young Russian idiots and Ukrainian soldiers blown apart for the past three years. And I just saw one of the biggest cheerleaders of all that in the States killed.
“Sick reality” has nothing on it. A piece of shit who advocated for and contributed to the shittiest of shitty policy in the US, which has led to the deaths of numerous other people, was killed, and by one of the shitty policies he himself advocated (political violence or gun proliferation, as you prefer).
This isn’t even getting into the ‘less’ severe domestic dangers he was part of pushing forward - the concentration camps for immigrants, the rampant dehumanization of LGBTQ folk, the stripping of medical assistance to the filthy poors who are too sick to be worth keeping alive.
True tbh that my dark feelings aren’t doing any good, but we absolutely do need people to understand that they can take direct action against the fash.
And furthermore, people who are fascist-curious need to be shown that if they want to be positively remembered by their community, they need to cut it with their fascist crap.
Lastly, we need to remind people that being a fucking monster ought to be dangerous business.
The man literally said crying is for babies and empathy is a “new age made up thing”.
I don’t want the world to devolve into one person killing another because they disagree, but he was a piece of shit and deserves little to no sympathy as a result.
Me either. I’m not even sad he’s (apparently) no longer among us. I just get disgusted with everyone who’s calling for violence left and right (metaphorically and politically).
I just get disgusted with everyone who’s calling for violence left and right (metaphorically and politically).
There’s a fine line between advocating for violence, and being aware that violence is going to happen whether we want it to or not. As someone else mentioned, the Right Wingers are absolutely ready to pull the trigger and it’s naive for people on the left to think “It won’t happen to me, so why bother being ready.”
I look at this killing the way I look at Luigi; I’m not going to shed a tear for the victim. He had it coming to him and then some. And I hope the shooter never gets found because fuck Charlie Kirk.
I’m not saying there needs to be all out revolution. But actions such as this killing are good in that they make the other side realize that “yes…we are ready…and you’re not safe if you keep trying your shit”.
To be fair, I also wouldn’t care if Biden got shot right now. I’m not gonna be the one that does it, but if someone else does it, oh well, couldn’t care less… 🤷♂️
Do we have to “thoughts and prayer” every time some politician dies?
That’s like asking why someone with a tumor is calling for a surgeon to cut it out, even if that person isn’t themself a surgeon.
Lots of people would be extremely uncomfortable watching a major surgery, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t stop them from coming to the OR when they need one. Nor should they be forced to see footage of their operation.
We have a fascism problem, and personally I’m thankful we have people with the aptitude and fortitude to address it, regardless of my own ability or lack thereof in that area.
Probably fair to assume that the shooter was aiming for center of mass. A stationary person at 180m is pretty easy to hit in the chest, and someone with enough skill/confidence might have opted to aim for the head, but nobody is aiming specifically for the neck. A hit on the neck almost definitely means the shooter was aiming for something else and missed high (or low) by inches in a way that still hit the guy.
Most training scenarios don’t require you to consider what happens when your target’s head is an anomalous mix of completely empty and indescribably dense. Under the circumstances, the shooter did remarkably well.
In a purely technical, non-banworthy kind of way, of course.
when i see expert work in my field i have to admire it even when it’s a crime. like, when i was in finance and a particularly creative fraud would make the news we’d all go to the break room and talk about the accused’s chutzpah and take turns saying what we’d change to get away with it, and how we’d get caught in an audit (all but one of us worked at the IRS for a spell), and so on for about an hour. it was a great thought exercise, kept our brains active and helped keep us current with caselaw.
likewise, though grievous bodily harm was inflicted, that’s a remarkable shot.
He likely missed. He was either aiming for center mass (most likely), or the head. In either case he was 8" high or low respectively from misjudging the distance.
My guess is it was likely a shot at center mass that went high. This was was no 3000m special forces sniper insanity.
Fair, but also I know for a fact I could never even get close. I’m not saying this was some insane record setting shot or anything, but 200 yards while he’s under a tent and behind a crowd, it’s a wonder he hit Kirk’s bitch ass instead of someone in the crowd, and he landed it in a vital artery
It’s honestly not as bad as I expected. The amount of blood reminds me of the historic Bud Dwyer video. -If i were to speculate i’d say it looks like Kirk had a very sudden and near total loss of blood pressure to his head when he was hit which leads me to think that he probably lost consciousnous before he knew what hit him.
I am not a medical professional. Nervous system was instantly affected and his body flung to the so callev teapot arms position. You are VERY unlikely to survive a shot like that under the BEST care in the world given that as we all can see, no amount of pressure on the wound can stop the blood loss. The last 5-6 seconds of your life are just a fade to black, pain is no longer a concept for your brain, you got quite literally unplugged and your body never knows what happened.
Please note that NSFW/NSFL videos must be labeled as such or they will be deleted
Edit: also keep in mind that initial information in these situations can often be inaccurate. Trusted outlets have conflicting reports about whether a suspect has been detained.
Edit 2: the campus has officially stated they release the initial subject. Donald Trump has stated Charlie Kirk is dead.
Also, uh, if you have any doubt in your fortitude whatsoever, do not watch them.
Seriously.
For anyone who is curious but might not want to watch the video, here’s a description I found that a friend of mine who watched it says is accurate:
Description
he got shot in the neck by a high powered rifle and instantly litres of blood spewed out as he slumped over. He likely won’t survive.
Dude could have fell off his seat and onto a trauma operating table and still died.
“Likely won’t survive”… My dude was dead within seconds.
He tensed up and stared off into the distance like he was gone instantly. Probably hit in the spinal.
Like Kill Bill levels of blood squirting out?
Heavy leaking artery. Not as a bad as that Buffalo Sabres goalie in the 90s getting cut by a skate
Like an open spigot.
Yeah that matches what I saw
Lol, that sounds like my first RE4 playthrough
RE4 Spoiler and potential gore
the chainsaw dude literally decapitating my man Leon, literally scarier than any other enemy in the game, solely for the gorey part
Yep yep yep this x100, if you have PTSD or just have never seen or cannot handle extreme gore, probably actually do not watch the clip.
This is an extremely legitimately trigger warning worthy video clip.
For anyone wondering: it’s not gory as such, but it is significant in that way that tells our lizard brains something undeniably bad just happened.
I…what?
How else would you define ‘gory’?
I am genuienly curious, you have a definition of gore…that is not fundamentally based in a human realizing something is very, very wrong with another living being?
Like… your blood is generally supposed to stay inside you. Blood is generally considered more gory the more of it there is.
I guess I watched enough videos from Ukraine and Gaza these past 3 years to be more desensitized. That wasn’t that bad – and key point – relative to what else I’ve seen. My partner also works in trauma medicine, so we discuss a lot of stuff.
In some respects, I think conservatives who have a fetish for guns should witness the true damage they inflict.
I mean, the phrase “blood and gore” sort of lays out the distinction.
… No, what I am saying is that it does not, for me, and I am asking for clarificatiom.
Alright. Gore is the inside squishy bits of the body you shouldn’t see: muscles, torn flesh, whatnot. You see someone’s brains or a stump where an appendage was just separated, that’s gore.
Blood is… well… blood. In context it’s alarming, but ultimately it’s just a bunch of opaque red liquid.
I think also that people watch a lot of simulated murders on TV, and they kind of don’t know what its like to watch a person die. Like Tarantino will make geysers of blood look very cool, treehouse of horror makes explosions of organs funny, etc. The amount of blood, at least for that context, is some but in normal bounds. I would say the part that is pretty terrifying for me, is that there are small things, like the way he flops back, the way he’s cut off… the simulations haven’t prepared people for this.
Watching a video of someone die is very different from watching it irl.
A video, your brain would juat categorize it with the TV stuff so you don’t really feel much.
Its better this way, people need to stop dancing around the topic of death. Just accept it as a fact and its easier to live life that way, instead of under a veil of lies and the cutsy “heaven” bs.
Ah.
That makes sense!
Thank you.=D
the blood doesn’t spray everywhere or all over him, but you can tell a lot gushed out quickly and goes out of view of the camera….
it’s really fast and mostly you notice his shirt moving suddenly
So to you, only blood spatter is gory?
Not actually just watching something like 1/3 to 1/2 his blood exit his body in maybe 3 seconds tops?
Like if a guy shat out all his intenstines, but … they went off camera, neatly into a bucket… that wouldn’t be gory?
Again I am just curious about this, different people are disgusted by different things, draw the lines in different ways I guess.
Agreed that people draw the lines in different ways. For me personally, the video is bloody, not gory. It’d be gory if there was viscera clearly visible.
Regardless, can see it being a traumatic image for some. But on the other hand, a lot of us are desensitized.
Ya, the video is grim. Seriously doubt he survived.
I’m extremely squeamish normally but that video isn’t bad at all.
Yeah I felt the same. I actually can’t watch gory films but this video wasn’t hard to watch. But then I’ve experienced quite a lot of difficult situations irl so maybe I’m desensitised.
I don’t think people are used to seeing that volume of blood outside movies. That’s like, dead in minutes type bleeding
Finally someone who can shoot (sorry Tommy Crooks, you suck)
Agree. I watched it and really wish I hadn’t.
But if someone’s gonna make some wisecrack comment celebrating/endorsing acts of violence, they should definitely watch it to see the sick reality of what they’re celebrating.
Kirk is (was?) a piece of shit, but the armchair judges, juries, and wannabe executioners around here need a reality check.
Watched the video. Hell, I’ve seen it live in the past.
Im glad a fascist is dead.
There is at least one fewer person advocating for the complete removal of my civil rights as a trans woman.
He won’t be missed, and in two months I’ll think about him as much as I think about Rush Limbaugh.
https://www.blazingsword.org/
Get armed, train, and be ready. Shits about to get spicy.
An armed minority is harder to oppress.
Yep. Arm up, stockpile supplies, get in shape.
And think about your Red Lines. I have 2. I have family who belong to vulnerable groups who are particularly hated and targeted by MAGA, and if anything were to happen to them, I would have nothing left to lose, and I will become very dangerous.
My second Red Line is if they use ANY excuse to cancel/suspend elections. This country has NEVER cancelled an election, not even during the Civil War. If elections are cancelled or suspended, that is OFFICIALLY the end of the United States. At that point, I do not recognize any laws or any sovereignty by the MAGA government. I will not pay taxes, I will steal everything I can my hands on, I will vandalize any MAGA property, and if it gets hot, and gunfire erupts, I’m ready mentally, and I’ve been an excellent shot my entire life.
As an older person, I have had the revelation that the end of my life will probably include a twist ending that I never anticipated until now, and I have accepted that. In fact, I now think that dying peacefully in my bed as an old man, while America becomes Nazi, would be waste. I’d rather my death accomplish something.
Other Red Lines are starting to form in my mind as well.
I’m a double stroke victim. I can barely walk without a cane.
My job isn’t to punch nazis, my job is to tell the nazi-punchers what squares to stand on, and what the nazis’ weaknesses are (hint: it’s bullets).
Keyboard warriors are very important, too. MAGA Nazis understand the importance of messaging, and the Left needs a lot more of it.
I do stuff offline too, I just don’t talk about it where it gets recorded for posterity.
Ah, stay strong, then.
Lester doesn’t go on heists, but the dude is still very important.
Ok we got it, you are important too
"I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.”
-Charlie Kirk (https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113)
So don’t worry, he’s fine with it.
Putting his money where his mouth is. Gotta respect that, LOL. More MAGA Nazis should follow his lead.
Died doing what he loved, I guess.
Fucking lol
I watched it. Felt nothing.
I’ve been hyper-aware of the possibility of a school shooting since I was in grade school. I’ve watched Palestinians be murdered for over ten years. I’ve watched poor young Russian idiots and Ukrainian soldiers blown apart for the past three years. And I just saw one of the biggest cheerleaders of all that in the States killed.
“Sick reality” has nothing on it. A piece of shit who advocated for and contributed to the shittiest of shitty policy in the US, which has led to the deaths of numerous other people, was killed, and by one of the shitty policies he himself advocated (political violence or gun proliferation, as you prefer).
This isn’t even getting into the ‘less’ severe domestic dangers he was part of pushing forward - the concentration camps for immigrants, the rampant dehumanization of LGBTQ folk, the stripping of medical assistance to the filthy poors who are too sick to be worth keeping alive.
Fuck him.
We live in interesting times.
I watched it 15 times in a row. Gonna watch it a few dozen times more when more perspectives come back. He deserves worse.
Goddamn right I’m sick in the head! Fascism makes us sick. All the more reason to stand up to the monsters who push for it.
Your blood lust isn’t helping anything.
A dead fascist is always progress. One less person traveling from campus to campus, recruiting for the Reich Wing.
Generally nazis do not die quickly unless you kill them. And if you do not, then they will kill you instead. The only good nazi is a dead nazi.
yes, it is. Charlie Kirk spreads hate and fear. fuck him and fuck his message.
Then why are you not organizing an attack squad? Instead you are just a keyboard warrior hoping to radicalize someone who sees your comments.
Edit: their removed reply to this post was advocating for violence.
How is your comment not advocating for violence? Really sounds like you’re pushing him to be violent rather than just leave angry comments online
It’s an attempt at being absurd to illuminate their position. Futile, I know.
Removed by mod
Fair
True tbh that my dark feelings aren’t doing any good, but we absolutely do need people to understand that they can take direct action against the fash.
And furthermore, people who are fascist-curious need to be shown that if they want to be positively remembered by their community, they need to cut it with their fascist crap.
Lastly, we need to remind people that being a fucking monster ought to be dangerous business.
Write up some instructions and help them plan then.
Edit: I see they totally edited their comment after my reply. It is no longer flippant.
I’m guessing: get a weapon and use it? The rest is just extra steps.
Sitting around while these monsters rip apart people’s lives has helped even less
Kirk pushes a narrative of violence and hate. I felt nothing but celebration seeing him get shot
Username checks out.
I’m not going to celebrate his death. But I’m not going to spare him any empathy either. He preached hate. Got hate in return. FAFO.
The man literally said crying is for babies and empathy is a “new age made up thing”.
I don’t want the world to devolve into one person killing another because they disagree, but he was a piece of shit and deserves little to no sympathy as a result.
Me either. I’m not even sad he’s (apparently) no longer among us. I just get disgusted with everyone who’s calling for violence left and right (metaphorically and politically).
There’s a fine line between advocating for violence, and being aware that violence is going to happen whether we want it to or not. As someone else mentioned, the Right Wingers are absolutely ready to pull the trigger and it’s naive for people on the left to think “It won’t happen to me, so why bother being ready.”
I look at this killing the way I look at Luigi; I’m not going to shed a tear for the victim. He had it coming to him and then some. And I hope the shooter never gets found because fuck Charlie Kirk.
I’m not saying there needs to be all out revolution. But actions such as this killing are good in that they make the other side realize that “yes…we are ready…and you’re not safe if you keep trying your shit”.
Staring the gritty reality of what you’re encouraging right in the face is always a good idea.
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I mean we didn’t shoot him
To be fair, I also wouldn’t care if Biden got shot right now. I’m not gonna be the one that does it, but if someone else does it, oh well, couldn’t care less… 🤷♂️
Do we have to “thoughts and prayer” every time some politician dies?
I think people missed the point of your comment. I see many, many comments on here advocating or endorsing violent action against fascism.
Okay fine, but if you can’t stomach a video of it, let alone witness it in person, why are you calling for it?
Lots of people like eating beef until they have to kill the cow.
That’s like asking why someone with a tumor is calling for a surgeon to cut it out, even if that person isn’t themself a surgeon.
Lots of people would be extremely uncomfortable watching a major surgery, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t stop them from coming to the OR when they need one. Nor should they be forced to see footage of their operation.
We have a fascism problem, and personally I’m thankful we have people with the aptitude and fortitude to address it, regardless of my own ability or lack thereof in that area.
I mean did you hear what his last words were?
Blah blah gang violence.
You’ll get downvoted by the majority here for that type of comment
Agreed. Anyone spamming celebration across all lemmy communities should be shut down.
I like how every news outlet says “GRAPHIC WARNING”, then proceeds to blur it anyways. Like… wtf is the point? Can’t even find a link lol
I’d recommend avoiding it, you can probably get a decent idea from knowing he got hit in the carotid artery.
Already watched it. Meh. Final Destination movies are much more gore-y
Got a link? I’m getting strsisanded into seeing it because I keep hearing how gore-y it is and now I’m just curious.
I found one below. Thank you!
Cause I need to watch things die From a distance
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies You all need it too, don’t lie
Trump himself is now saying Kirk is dead.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump
Why the Fuck does he Type like an Idiot?
Because he is an idiot
Too many Big Macs?
Terminal uberboomeritis?
Silver spoon he was born with in his mouth got jammed into his brain at a young age?
You Hit the Nail on the Head?
You may want this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Charlie_Kirk
There are already 23 references to news articles and social media posts on there last I checked
The timing of the shot is wild:
I wonder if the shooter was able to hear what was being said.
They were reported as being on a building 200 yards away, so unless those speakers were booming, I doubt it
180m is not thaat far considering the furthest attendees were probably like 50m away.
Yeah, but 200 yards to make a clean shot straight through his artery while he’s under a tent is some sniper shit
Probably fair to assume that the shooter was aiming for center of mass. A stationary person at 180m is pretty easy to hit in the chest, and someone with enough skill/confidence might have opted to aim for the head, but nobody is aiming specifically for the neck. A hit on the neck almost definitely means the shooter was aiming for something else and missed high (or low) by inches in a way that still hit the guy.
Most training scenarios don’t require you to consider what happens when your target’s head is an anomalous mix of completely empty and indescribably dense. Under the circumstances, the shooter did remarkably well.
In a purely technical, non-banworthy kind of way, of course.
Like saying somebody that chooses the winning lotto numbers is a mastermind of picking numbers.
Until we know more about the shooter, we really don’t know if he was aiming, or if he got lucky.
when i see expert work in my field i have to admire it even when it’s a crime. like, when i was in finance and a particularly creative fraud would make the news we’d all go to the break room and talk about the accused’s chutzpah and take turns saying what we’d change to get away with it, and how we’d get caught in an audit (all but one of us worked at the IRS for a spell), and so on for about an hour. it was a great thought exercise, kept our brains active and helped keep us current with caselaw.
likewise, though grievous bodily harm was inflicted, that’s a remarkable shot.
He likely missed. He was either aiming for center mass (most likely), or the head. In either case he was 8" high or low respectively from misjudging the distance.
My guess is it was likely a shot at center mass that went high. This was was no 3000m special forces sniper insanity.
Fair, but also I know for a fact I could never even get close. I’m not saying this was some insane record setting shot or anything, but 200 yards while he’s under a tent and behind a crowd, it’s a wonder he hit Kirk’s bitch ass instead of someone in the crowd, and he landed it in a vital artery
not seeing shit on x, it’s all over threads with uncensored videos
Does anyone have a link? Not seeing one in this thread
Here (NSFW, shooting, blood etc)
It’s honestly not as bad as I expected. The amount of blood reminds me of the historic Bud Dwyer video. -If i were to speculate i’d say it looks like Kirk had a very sudden and near total loss of blood pressure to his head when he was hit which leads me to think that he probably lost consciousnous before he knew what hit him.
I am not a medical professional. Nervous system was instantly affected and his body flung to the so callev teapot arms position. You are VERY unlikely to survive a shot like that under the BEST care in the world given that as we all can see, no amount of pressure on the wound can stop the blood loss. The last 5-6 seconds of your life are just a fade to black, pain is no longer a concept for your brain, you got quite literally unplugged and your body never knows what happened.
Holy shit. That fucker isn’t surviving that.
Edit: he’s dead, obviously and officially.